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    Senior Member dennis1 is on a distinguished road
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    More Obama non-truths

    SEALS Reveal Truth About Bin Laden Raid

    Osama Bin Laden was killed within 90
    seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in his compound and not after a
    protracted gun battle, according to the first account by the men who
    carried out the raid.

    The operation was so clinical that only 12
    bullets were fired.

    The Seals have spoken out because they were
    angered at the version given by politicians, which they see as portraying
    them as cold-blooded murderers on a kill mission. They were also shocked
    that President Barack 0bama announced Bin Ladenís death on television the
    same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had

    Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of Seal Team 6, which
    conducted the operation, has interviewed many of those who took part for a
    book, Seal Target Geronimo, to be published in the US this

    The Seals own accounts differ from the White House version,
    which gave the impression that Bin Laden was killed at the end of the
    operation rather than in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists Bin Laden
    would have been captured had he surrendered.

    There isnít a
    politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting
    Bin Laden but it devalued the intelligence and gave time for every other
    Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolthole, said Pfarrer. The men who
    did this and their valorous act deserve better.

    Itís a pretty
    shabby way to treat these guys. The first hint of the mission came in
    January last year when the teamís commanding officer was called to a
    meeting at the headquarters of joint special operations command. The
    meeting was held in a soundproof bunker three stories below ground with
    his boss, Admiral William McRaven, and a CIA officer.

    They told him
    a walled compound in Pakistan had been under surveillance for a couple of
    weeks. They were certain a high-value individual was inside and needed a
    plan to present to the president. It had to be someone important. So is
    this Bert or Ernie? he asked.

    The Seals nicknames for Bin Laden and
    his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are a reference to two Muppets in Sesame
    Street, one tall and thin and the other short and fat. We have a voice
    print, said the CIA officer, and were 60% or 70% certain itís our guy.
    McRaven added that a reconnaissance satellite had measured the targets
    shadow. Over 6ft tall.

    When McRaven added they would use Ghost Hawk
    helicopters, the team leader had no doubt. These are the most classified,
    sophisticated stealth helicopters ever developed, said Pfarrer. They
    are kept in locked hangars and fly so quiet we call it whisper

    Over the next couple of months a plan was hatched. A mock-up
    of the compound was built at Tall Pines, an army facility in a national
    forest somewhere in the eastern US.

    Four reconnaissance satellites
    were placed in orbit over the compound, sending back video and
    communications intercepts. A tall figure seen walking up and down was
    named the Pacer.

    Obama gave the go-ahead and Seal Team 6, known as
    the Jedi, was deployed to Afghanistan. The White House cancelled plans to
    provide air cover using jet fighters, fearing this might endanger
    relations with Pakistan.

    Sending in the Ghost Hawks without air
    cover was considered too risky so the Seals had to use older Stealth
    Hawks. A Prowler electronic warfare aircraft from the carrier USS Carl
    Vinson was used to jam Pakistanís radar and create decoy

    Operation Neptuneís Spear was initially planned for April
    30 but bad weather delayed it until May 1, a moonless night. The commandos
    flew on two Stealth Hawks, codenamed Razor 1 and 2, followed by two
    Chinooks five minutes behind, known as Command Bird and the gun platform.
    On board, each Seal was clad in body amour and night vision goggles and
    equipped with laser targets, radios and sawn-off M4 rifles. They were
    expecting up to 30 people in the main house, including Bin Laden and three
    of his wives, two sons, Khalid and Hamza, his courier, Abu Ahmed
    al-Kuwaiti, four bodyguards and a number of children. At 56 minutes past
    midnight the compound came into sight and the code Palm Beach signaled
    three minutes to landing. Razor 1 hovered above the main house, a
    three-story building where Bin Laden lived on the top floor. Twelve Seals
    roped the 5ft-6ft down onto the roof and then jumped to a third-floor
    patio, where they kicked in the windows and entered.

    The first
    person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, Bin Ladenís third
    wife, Khaira, who ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe
    light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A Seal grabbed her by the arm
    and threw her to the floor. Bin Ladenís bedroom was along a short
    hall. The door opened; he popped out and then slammed the door shut.
    Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo, radioed one Seal, meaning eyes on

    At the same time lights came on from the floor below and
    Bin Ladenís son Khalid came running up the stairs towards the Seals. He
    was shot dead.

    Two Seals kicked in Bin Ladenís door. The room, they
    later recalled, smelt like old clothing, like a guest bedroom in a
    grandmotherís house. Inside was the Al-Qaeda leader and his youngest wife,
    Amal, who was screaming as he pushed her in front of him. No, no, donít do
    this! she shouted as her husband reached across the king-size bed for his
    AK-47 assault rifle. The Seals reacted instantly, firing in the same
    second. One round thudded into the mattress. The other, aimed at Bin
    Ladenís head, grazed Amal in the calf. As his hand reached for the gun,
    they each fired again: one shot hit his breastbone, the other his skull,
    killing him instantly and blowing out the back of his

    Meanwhile Razor 2 was heading for the guesthouse, a low,
    shoebox-like building, where Bin Ladenís courier, Kuwaiti, and his brother
    lived. As the helicopter neared, a door opened and two figures appeared,
    one waving an AK-47. This was Kuwaiti. In the moonless night he could see
    nothing and lifted his rifle, spraying bullets wildly.

    He did not
    see the Stealth Hawk. On board someone shouted, Bust him!, and a sniper
    fired two shots. Kuwaiti was killed, as was the person behind him, who
    turned out to be his wife. Also on board were a CIA agent, a
    Pakistani-American who would act as interpreter, and a sniffer dog called
    Karo, wearing dog body armor and goggles.

    Within two minutes the
    Seals from Razor 2 had cleared the guesthouse and removed the women and

    They then ran to the main house and entered from the
    ground floor, checking the rooms. One of Bin Ladenís bodyguards was
    waiting with his AK-47. The Seals shot him twice and he toppled

    Five minutes into the operation the command Chinook landed
    outside the compound, disgorging the commanding officer and more men. They
    blasted through the compound wall and rushed in.

    The commander made
    his way to the third floor, where Bin Ladenís body lay on the floor face
    up. Photographs were taken, and the commander called on his satellite
    phone to headquarters with the words: Geronimo Echo KIA Bin Laden enemy
    killed in action.

    This was the first time the White House knew he
    was dead and it was probably 20 minutes into the raid, said Pfarrer. A
    sample of Bin Ladenís DNA was taken and the body was bagged. They kept his
    rifle. It is now mounted on the wall of their team room at their
    headquarters in Virginia Beach, Virginia, alongside photographs of a dozen
    colleagues killed in action in the past 20 years.

    At this point
    things started to go wrong. Razor 1 took off but the top secret green unit
    that controls the electronics failed. The aircraft went into a spin
    and crashed tail-first into the compoundÖ The Seals were alarmed, thinking
    it had been shot down, and several rushed to the wreckage. The crew
    climbed out, shaken but unharmed.

    The commanding officer ordered
    them to destroy Razor 2, to remove the green unit, and to smash the
    avionics. They then laid explosive charges.

    They loaded Bin Ladenís
    body onto the Chinook along with the cache of intelligence in plastic bin
    bags and headed toward the USS Carl Vinson. As they flew off they blew up
    Razor 2. The whole operation had taken 38 minutes.

    The following
    morning White House officials announced that the helicopter had crashed as
    it arrived, forcing the Seals to abandon plans to enter from the roof. A
    photograph of the situation room showed a shocked Hillary Clinton, the
    secretary of state, with her hand to her mouth.

    Why did they get it
    so wrong? What they were watching was live video but it was shot from
    20,000 feet by a drone circling overhead and relayed in real time to the
    White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA director, in Langley.

    Seals were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in Washington
    had no idea what was happening inside the buildings.

    They donít
    understand our terminology, so when someone said the insertion helicopter
    has crashed, they assumed it meant on entry, said Pfarrer.

    infuriated the Seals, according to Pfarrer, was the description of the
    raid as a kill mission. Iíve been a Seal for 30 years and I never heard
    the words kill mission, he said.

    Itís a Beltway [Washington
    insiders] fantasy world. If it was a kill mission you donít need Seal Team
    6; you need a box of grenades. Hooyah!

    As Paul Harvey would say:
    You now know the rest of the story!

    In God we trust! If you can
    read thisÖthank a teacher. If you are reading it in EnglishÖthank a

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    Senior Member RON11 is on a distinguished road
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    The important thing, the only important thing is the mission was a success -BL is stone cold dead ! GREAT JOB - to all who did their part in the well excecuted mission. Have not heard of it called a kill mission but good kill none the less.

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    I really hate to call anyone an idiot, but Ronny, you are one coming very close...the whole white house crowd
    couldn't even keep the story straight...seems like it's easy to say "so what" when the real truth doesn't bolster
    your side.

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    Senior Member RON11 is on a distinguished road
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    What story? Bin L. really is dead! It really was a mission well done. And I have not heard it called a kill mission but if it was , good kill men!

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    Senior Member RON11 is on a distinguished road
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    And we see through your blind hate. With out a doubt if the exact same mission happened and the exact same things were said but it was a Republican administration doing it you would be bragging and high fiving everybody all day long. That is a fact! You would not be whining about Bin L.'s death. The R's landed on an aircraft carrier with a huge banner declaring "Mission Accomplished" in the first year of a decade plus war. Where was your whining then? Followed by thousands of soldiers deaths and tens of thousands of soldiers disabled. We can see where you fake outrage comes from. (blind hate)
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    The USA is becoming a communist country. Both Democrats and Republicans are behind this "one world government".
    Second amendment is for a reason. We were strong before the 1980s, now a joke. D. Burke PA

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    was a success and all involved should be proud.

    it also gives an example again of the downfall in having someone who is a politician first, commander in chief second, when it comes to the military. the potential inability to maximize the information retrived due to the need to spike the football for political reasons played out, just as it did in the prisoner exchange, that i don't have a problem with other then the white house couldn't help but try to make it a p r event. and as it turns out, a very undeserved p r event. the rose garden ceremony was just disgraceful given the circumstance. just moronic.

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    Senior Member RON11 is on a distinguished road
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    I think getting our soldier home was exactly the right thing to do. Pretending they shouldn't share that with the American people is silly talk. They did a good thing and their haters whine. Pretend they should keep real quiet. Now how dumb is that. Those buggers scream from mountain tops when they think they accomplish something. Remember the Republican in a fighter pilot jumpsuit having a pilot land him on the aircraft carrier. And in the background a huge banner "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". All that over a decade before the war actually ended.And before thousands of American soldiers died and tens of thousands permanently injured. And some have the audacity to whine about the killing of Binladin and the return of our soldier.The Pres. gave the credit to our soldiers and the people who work in intelligence community. It was outstanding!

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    Senior Member villageidiot is on a distinguished road
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    they did a good thing and should have been tastefully dealt with. who said bush handled his p r correctly glo lite. I just don't kiss the feet or rear end on the direction my political wind blows, unlike some on here, it blows in the direction of common sense. Given the circumstance, what they did was just grandstanding for hoped for political gain. if they wanted to do something for his parents, they should have flown them to meet their son in europe. Your wanting to go tit for tat on which current or past president did things to suit is silly, anyone with some sense and open mindedness can pretty easily determine both were foolish.

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    Senior Member villageidiot is on a distinguished road
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    that was a great original post on this thread, as it is much more interesting to hear from the ones directly involved versus what gets confused and spun over time. it would be great if 0 dark 30 was made over by the seal team.

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