12-06-2012 06:23 AM #11
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- Nov 2007
Me? I actually enjoy reading many of your posts and the discussion it generates.
Government will clearly have lots of fingers in health care. Like it or not, laws and regulations have been a dominant force in health care choices and costs for a long time. We would be wise to pay attention, share experiences, and share opinions as we go forward.
12-06-2012 08:35 PM #12
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- Dec 2008
Failbummer's koolaid drinkers like "tall" have no clue that they have been had:
Liz Fowler worked for Democratic Senator Max Baucus in the first half of last decade, and so it wasn’t surprising when she cashed out to run the lobbying shop at Wellpoint, the nation’s largest private insurer.
After all, that’s what Max Baucus staffers do. They become high-paid lobbyists for powerful companies dependent on government. Former Baucus chief of staff David Castagnetti is now a lobbyist partner at Mehlman, Vogel, Catagnetti. Successor Jeff Forbes is a partner at Cauthen, Forbes, and Williams. Baucus’s chief trade counsel Scott Parven doesn’t have a lobbying firm named after him, because he sold his firm to K Street giant Akin Gump. There are literally dozens of others.
It also wasn’t surprising when Baucus hired her back to help write Obamacare. After all, Baucus is famously close with K Street and industry lobbyists.
Given Baucus’s central role in drafting Obamacare, and lobbyists’ access to Baucus, it wasn’t surprising either when the bill won the backing of the biggest health-industry lobbies in the country — Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the American Medical Association, and the American Hospital Association.
Obamacare was a porkfest for special interests, giving them subsidies, forcing people to buy their product, giving drugmakers lengthy monopolies, preserving the special favors Republicans had given them, protecting them from competition.
After the bill passed, many of the bill’s authors and key supporters rushed to take their payday.
Senate Health Committee staffer Connie Garner, who helped write the subsidies for long-term care, launched a practice working with long-term-care providers.
Arlen Specter’s health-care guy, John Myers, cashed out to the Glover Park Group, where he now represents Obamacare recipients like Planned Parenthood, United Health, Trygg Pharma, and Sucampo Pharmaceuticals. Another Obamacare author now lobbying at GPG is Liz Engel, who was health policy director at the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.
Nancy Pelosi’s top health-care aide left for K Street, as did other staffers from Senate Health Committee, House Democratic Policy Committee, and the Ways & Means Committee. Their clients include big pharma, insurers, hospitals, and so on.
Liz Fowler originally didn’t go that route. She went instead to the administration. You know, the Obama administration, which doesn’t hire lobbyists. At HHS, she helped implement Obamacare.
So, now, of course, she’s taking her third spin through the revolving door, to run the lobbying shop at Pharma giant Johnson & Johnson. This helps highlight what Obamacare was about: further enmeshing healthcare and government, thus creating more demand for revolving-door lobbyists.
I liked the reactions of Natasha Lennard at Salon and Glenn Greenwald at the Guardian.
Liz Fowler, well known as the architect of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, never really left the healthcare industry….
Fowler’s dizzying spins through the Washington/healthcare industry revolving door dampen any arguments that aim to frame Obamacare as a progressive victory over health insurance companies.
Greenwald’s response to Fowler’s move is characteristically cutting and lengthy. Some highlights:
The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters – and most lavish beneficiaries - of the health care bill drafted by Fowler….
This is precisely the behavior which, quite rationally, makes the citizenry so jaded about Washington. It’s what ensures that the interests of the same permanent power factions are served regardless of election outcomes. It’s what makes a complete mockery out of claims of democracy. And it’s what demonstrates that corporatism and oligarchy are the dominant forms of government in the US….
============soooooo oba-koolaid drinkers, you'll soon find out that voting in Chicago Machine corruptocrats just isn't going to give you the paradise on earth you thought you were getting.......you've just entered the Twilight Zone suckers.....
12-06-2012 09:04 PM #13
It's not about health care or it's cost. It is about freedom. Freedom from the government telling me what I must spend my money on.
12-07-2012 11:59 AM #14
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- Aug 2010
I am all for Freedom and i don't like my costs to go up because some Mope uses an Emergency room for his general health needs.Freedom to get screwed out of money is a weird freedom. You have to but auto insurance. Was freedom taken away there?“Whatever you do, strive to do it so well that no man living and no man dead, and no man yet to be born can do it any better.”
12-07-2012 12:09 PM #15
In our state all you have to do is prove financial responsibility. You can post a bond and if you quit driving you get your money back.
12-07-2012 02:16 PM #16
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- Jan 2009
hate to let tg in on this one, but that's life...as 48 would say...
A man goes into the hospital for a vasectomy. Before the procedure a
very attractive nurse comes in and takes his vitals, then tells him
to take all of his clothes off.
When he is fully undressed she instructs him to lie down on the
table. The man obeys. The nurse then takes all of her clothes off and
climbs on top and has her way with him.
Upon the completion of the act the man catches his breath and asks
what that was all about. The nurse informs the patient that studies
have shown that before a vasectomy if the man has an ejaculation, he
will be more relaxed and that the cord is easier for the surgeon to
locate and sever, thereby making the surgery safer, more efficient
The nurse then wheels the patient to the operating room.
While they are going down the hall the patient looks through a window
to the right and sees six men in a room masturbating.
Curious, the man asks," What are they doing in there"?
The nurse responds, “They're preparing for vasectomies too, but you
have Blue Cross, and they have Obama Care."