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10-19-2012 12:24 PM #21Senior Member
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natty: If Waino had pitched like that all year, they would have won their division. The only reason the Cards are in it...is cuz this is the first year with TWO wild cards. The Tigers and the Cards BOTH have the worst regular season records of all the LCS teams...88-74. The Tigers wouldn't even be there except the White Sox folded.
I am a BASEBALL fan. I was a Tiger fan in 1968. Know who they beat???? lol. Since, my pulling for the Cards bothers you so much...why don't I take the Tigers and you take the Cards for a Jackson a game...azz u me ing the Cards can close the deal with the Giants.
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10-19-2012 10:33 PM #22Senior Member
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Matheny pulls a Dusty Baker. With the bases loaded and 4 runs in...he finally pulls Lynn. Lynn got so disgusted at Kozma for not being at second to tag the runner out...he drilled the second base bag. SS looked like a minor leaguer...OH!...he IS one. lol. TLR would have never let this happen. And...what did the highest paid Cardinal do??? That would be Holliday. 0 for 4. He would be right at home with the NY Yankees.
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10-19-2012 10:33 PM #23Senior Member
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As someone betting on games I would bet against the Cardinals advancing. The Cardinals has a horrendous record in being up 3-1 in series in either playoffs or series. I have a Cardinals almanac and the the three times the Cardinals were up 3-1 were in 68 (Tigers), 85 (Royals) and 96 (Braves). Curt Flood made an error in 68 and Brock did not slide into a play at the plate and a subseqent loss. In 85 Don Denkinger made a bad call which he willingly admitted to me at a wedding reception the following year and blew that one as well. The Cardinals lost to the Braves in NLCS and Ray Lankford made a crucial error. Lance Lynn was doing well and threw a possible double play ball into the bag at second base and not rushed. The Cardinals won every series up 3-1 until they lost the next game.
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10-20-2012 10:53 AM #24Senior Member
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mfsman: You said: "Lance Lynn was doing well and threw a possible double play ball into the bag at second base and not rushed."
Lynn did that on purpose out of disgust. He could just as easily threw it to the late coming Kozma, but he threw it to where Kozma's glove should have been to tag the runner out and turn the double play. BUT, Matheny should have already pulled Lynn...just like TLR would have done. Shows how weak the Cardinals are without Garcia.
I agree with your overall assessment, but I wouldn't count the Cardinals out...they have that little magic...and EXPERIENCE.
But, IF they make it to the WS, I would be real fearful of the Tigers awesome starting rotation AND awesome power hitters...can you say triple crown/MVP winner that comes through in the clutch as opposed to Holliday...0 for 4...2X with runners on.
We can only hope that CC is better Sun but this is asking a lot from someone just coming back off the DL. It takes him 2-3 innings just to get his wore out shoulder working again. By then the game can be out of reach...just like last night.
Personally, I would pull Descalso and put in Schumaker.
Finally...if you don't get back out to your garage and turn the radio on, the Cards don't have a prayer. lol.
BTW...quit tipping off natty. He's a TRUE Cardinal fan, and I want his money. lol.
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10-20-2012 11:00 PM #25Senior Member
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48, I was in the garage when the Giants scored the runs. My friend did not come over the first two innings as had taken his wife to dinner and son at Ole Miss was at the house. Lynn was dealing who also pitched at Ole Miss while I was watching the game. I later saw the throw and Lynn did not have to throw low for a tag on the runner for a force. Jerry and I were discussing in the garage about putting in Kelly. 48, those were not good hits against Lynn. Lance struck out 6 in 3 2/3 innings. Better than half his outs were strikeouts. He did not give up a long ball. He had a strikeout in the fourth. In the event he had not thrown the ball into the bag at second base it would have been a force with two outs even if double play had not been executed. It was a given at second with a good throw and Pete only had to catch it as beat the runner. The next ball was a weak pop up for probably third out to DD. Lance walked the next batter and gave up a squibber up the middle for two more runs. Allen Craig hit the ball harder in each of his at bats than anyone in that inning. They scored the last run on a bunt. Mike Matheny made all of the right choices and knows when to pull the trigger. It did not make any difference as we did not score any runs. Matheny does not know what he is doing. Bochey did a good job when we had 2nd and 3rd with no one out in the second and then do not remember the first out with DD and then walked Kozma and Lynn grounded into double play. It was a chance for big inning and baseball is based on momentum.
Peter Gammons wrote a nice article about the Cardinals today. He said it was the Cardinals way as Branch Rickey the first to start a farm system to develop players. George Kissel who the practice fields at the quad are named in Jupiter is the most revered teacher of their organization. Talking to the players he was a crusty, no pc, and a complete ahole teacher of the fundamentals. Everyone of them appreciated his tutelage. Everything is about team and development. Everything in development so opposite to the society of today. There is no preference and little acceptance of not trying. St. Louis is not New York, Boston, LA or Frisco.
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10-22-2012 11:33 AM #26Senior Member
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Good Riddance
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Matt Holliday, who was originally scheduled to play left field and bat third for the St. Louis Cardinals in Sunday's Game 6 of the National League Championship Series, was scratched from the starting lineup about 90 minutes before the game because of stiffness in his back.
Holliday is just 4-for-21 with no extra-base hits and no walks in the first five games against the Giants.
He has hit just one homer in the month of October.
Matt Carpenter was inserted into the lineup in Holliday's place. Carpenter started the game at first base, and Allen Craig moved from first base to left field....
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10-23-2012 02:33 PM #27Senior Member
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Well, when you're 3-1 and can't close the deal, you don't deserve to win. In the last 3 games the Cards were 1 for 21 with runners in scoring position. Holliday was 1 for 4 after missing Game 6 with a bad back. Cain evened up the slide into Scutaro. I thought it was fitting that Holliday popped out to...Scutaro...at the end. Molina is the true treasure of the Cards...4 for 4. The best player in all of baseball...according to mfsman...was 0 for 4. Cosmos will never make it in the Big Show, and I'm not talking about Hunter Pence's broken bat fluke either. I had high hopes for CC, but he's done. Cards need to get rid of Holliday and sign some good starting pitchers. Their relief pitchers are ok. Freese, the MVP of last year's WS win, was 0 for 3. Matheny is a good manager.
I look for the Tigers to sweep the Giants 4 straight even tho being off a week is not good. It would be a better WS if it was CINN. Too bad MLB doesn't have a losers bracket like the College WS where you can play back in...BUT...CINN would have still had Dusty Baker.Last edited by 48; 10-23-2012 at 02:37 PM.



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